Please enjoy this song by Nas.
If you’re one of his friends, please have him contact us for an interview! We’d love to hear why he’s included Bill on one of his songs…
Please be aware this song has adult only content in it. If you’re easily offended, please don’t listen!
We include a link to it here merely to show the wide ranging influence that Bill Cooper had. We do not endorse the message, not do we condemn it. As always, feel free to make your own judgment call!
i only hope the people who listen to his music will research who bill cooper is & get behold a pale horse
You know, William Cooper must be one of the most misunderstood men of our time. It’s obvious that a lot of folks like Nas are unaware of what he stood for, and what his true message was.
First of all, this song is dedicated to, among others, George Jackson. Jackson was a militant communist revolutionary and a member of the Black Panther Party. While he was doing time for armed robbery in San Quentin in 1966, he founded a Marxist prison gang with political objectives called the Black Guerrilla Family which became one of the most violent and notorious prison gangs in the nation.
Next, the song drips with racist invective and includes lyrics about burning the American flag. While the anger towards the tyrants in Washington is completely understandable, this artist is obviously quite confused and, more likely, poorly educated when it comes to the united States’ government and the American ideal. It’s ironic that he is a hugely successful and wealthy entertainer who came from nothing and made it big through his own efforts.
This guy talks about “choking out” “devils” with a Confederate flag. Again, ironically enough, the Confederacy was formed largely as a means to resist what they saw as tyranny coming from the same (federal) government that obviously is viewed as the enemy in this song.
At one point, Nas appears to address his middle-class white fans in the suburbs when he asks, presumably in reference to some type of uprising, “Will you ride with me? You understand my struggle.”
Keep in mind that Nas is a fervent supporter of Barack Obama. That alone ought to tell you all you need to know. I’m reminded of Jeremiah Wright railing against the U.S. for creating the AIDS virus and various other dark deeds and using that as justification to condemn America as a whole and push his own racist and subversive agenda.
Bill repeatedly warned that there is a conflict in store for us in this nation — that there will either be a Revolution, the communists’ choice, or a Restoration, the patriots’ choice. Now where do you think Nas, other like-minded artists, and many young people, particularly fans of hip-hop music today, are coming from?
As great as it is to hear William Cooper mentioned in a popular song with such wide exposure as this, it is very disappointing that it is done in such a manner as to misconstrue Bill’s message and potentially confuse a lot of impressionable minds.
William Cooper has to be one of the most misunderstood men of our time. It’s obvious that a lot of folks like Nas are unaware of what he stood for and what his message was.
First of all, this song is dedicated to, among others, George Jackson. Jackson was a militant communist revolutionary and a member of the Black Panther Party. While he was doing time for armed robbery in San Quentin in 1966, he founded a Marxist prison gang with political objectives called the Black Guerrilla Family which became one of the most violent and notorious prison gangs in the nation.
Next, the song drips with racist invective and includes lyrics about burning the American flag. While the anger towards the tyrants in Washington is completely understandable, this artist is obviously quite confused and, more likely, poorly educated when it comes to the united States’ government and the American ideal. It’s ironic that he is a hugely successful and wealthy entertainer who came from nothing and made it big through his own efforts.
This guy talks about “choking out” “devils” with a Confederate flag. Again, ironically enough, the Confederacy was formed largely as a means to resist what they saw as tyranny coming from the same (federal) government that obviously is viewed as the enemy in this song.
At one point, Nas appears to address his middle-class white fans in the suburbs when he asks, presumably in reference to some type of uprising, “Will you ride with me? You understand my struggle.”
Keep in mind that Nas is a fervent supporter of Barack Obama. That alone ought to tell you all you need to know. I’m reminded of Jeremiah Wright railing against the U.S. for creating the AIDS virus and various other dark deeds and using that as justification to condemn America as a whole and push his own racist and subversive agenda.
Bill repeatedly warned that there is a conflict in store for us in this nation — that there will either be a Revolution, the communists’ choice, or a Restoration, the patriots’ choice. Now where do you think Nas, other like-minded artists, and many young people, particularly fans of hip-hop music today, are coming from?
As great as it is to hear William Cooper mentioned in a popular song with such wide exposure as this, it is very disappointing that it is done in such a manner as to misconstrue Bill’s message and potentially confuse a lot of impressionable minds.
Sorry. Didn’t mean to comment twice. Damn internet connection’s on the fritz.
Interesting that you guys would post this. I’ve been a fan of hip hop all my life and its actually what got me into this kind of information. I don’t know if Bill or hour of the time knew this but he was a hero in the hip hop community. Behold a Pale Horse is probably the most widely referenced book in hip hop music. (Keep in mind that the garbage rap music you see on tv is NOT hip hop, its commercial pop music thats been dumbed way down for record sales. Believe it or not there actually exists and intelligent conscious sub culture within hip hop that shares much in common with this website.)
Even though i don’t agree with everything Nas says either I’m glad to see you guys recognizing that your message reaches many more people that your typical patriot/militia supporters. especially since the ADL, SPLC and other lying traitors would have you believe that the militia/patriot movement is just a front for white nationalism.
For anyone whos interested heres a few more hip hop songs that where influenced by Bills message.
Ill Bill – Society is Brainwashed (dedicates and entire verse to Bill Cooper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjNmGsQ16Vg
Ras Kass – Soul on Ice remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2UeKEmFJ34
Ras Kass – Ordo Ab Chao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOzSYkQvoNI
Killah Priest – Information
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/11710/killah_priest_information__amp__science_projects/
Goodie Mob – Cell Therapy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuWB9Nhoypw
There are literally hundreds more. Don’t judge a book by its cover.
Another song that references William Cooper is entitled “Society is Brainwashed” by Ill Bill.
It lead me to read behold a pale horse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ocnS5BvHM
Alright, I can’t resist. Hey Doyel or Rob, I apologize for the trouble but please delete my previous comments and leave this one.
William Cooper has to be one of the most misunderstood men of our time. It’s obvious that a lot of folks like Nasir Jones (aka Nas) are unaware of what he stood for, and what his true message was.
First of all, this song is dedicated to Jonathan and George Jackson. George Jackson was a militant communist revolutionary and a member of the Black Panther Party. While he was doing time for armed robbery in San Quentin in 1966, he founded a Marxist prison gang with political objectives called the Black Guerrilla Family which became one of the most violent and notorious prison gangs in the nation. On August 7, 1970, George Jackson’s 17-year-old brother Jonathan Jackson burst into a Marin County courtroom with an automatic weapon, freed three prisoners, and took Judge Harold Haley, the Deputy D.A. and three jurors hostage to demand the release of his brother and two other inmates — the “Soledad Brothers”. Judge Haley, prisoners William Christmas, James McClain, and Jonathan Jackson were killed as they attempted to drive away from the courthouse. George Jackson was killed in prison in 1971. The Jacksons are seen as martyrs by militant communist revolutionaries.
Next, the song drips with racist invective and includes lyrics about burning the American flag. While the anger towards the tyrants in Washington is completely understandable, Nas is obviously quite confused and, more likely, poorly educated when it comes to the united States’ government and the American ideal. It’s ironic that he is a hugely successful and wealthy entertainer who came from nothing and made it big through his own efforts.
Nas talks about “choking out” “devils” with a Confederate flag. Again, ironically enough, while the anger at the racism of many Southerners is understandable, the Confederacy was formed largely as a means to resist what they saw as tyranny coming from the same (federal) government that obviously is viewed as the enemy in this song.
At one point, Nas addresses his middle-class white fans in the suburbs when he asks, presumably in reference to some type of uprising, “Would you stand with me, a United States murderer? You buy my songs, but will you ride with me? You understand my struggle. That’s what you claim, right? Well, get your aim right.” He later says, “I don’t think you’re prepared. You know what I’m asking you? Do you know what I’m asking you?” Well, I know exactly what he’s talking about.
Keep in mind that Nas is a fervent supporter of Barack Obama. That alone ought to tell you a great deal.
Bill repeatedly warned that there is a conflict in store for us in this nation — that there will either be a Revolution, the communists’ choice, or a Restoration, the patriots’ choice. Now where do you think Nas, other like-minded artists, and many young people, particularly fans of hip-hop music today, are coming from?
As great as it is to hear William Cooper mentioned in a popular song with such wide exposure as this, it is very disappointing that it is done in such a manner as to misconstrue Bill’s message and potentially confuse a lot of impressionable minds.
Oliver,
Interesting comments, thanks. I went to the utube page and read the lyrics. it looks to me like the artist is ultimately acknowledging Bill’s work after all he’s done in his life to this point. I may be misreading him, but it seems like he’s changing his mind about the “real” struggle.
I’m not big on rap at all, but this sounds like Nas is stepping forward to join in Bill’s struggle and Bill’s truth. I also found the “minute of silence” at the end very interesting. Anyway, I’m very appreciative of of Nas’ expression of his allegiance to Bill’s “realness”. I hope more of these bigger artists will speak up like this as Nas has.
NAS, THANK YOU!
John
Here are the end of the lyrics:
Would you testify?
You buy my songs
You buy my songs
But would you ride with me?
You understand my struggle
That’s what you claim, right?
Well get your aim right
And get your game tight
[Verse 2]
Don’t buy my songs, ya’ll don’t roll with it
Come into concerts, singing hoe and shit
F**k ya’ll little little hoe bitches,
I don’t need ya’ll, I’ll go gold with it
I heard ya’ll was downloading it (huh,)
Like I’m ya man who be exposing shit (hehe,)
Like uh, William Cooper, who told you the pale horse is the future
[Nas talking]
Would you testify with some realness like that?
I think you scared (hehe)
I don’t think you prepared
Yeah…
You know what I’m asking you?
Do we know what I’m asking you? Hahaha
Wow…
Wow…
Bill Cooper is sort of an underground hip-hop hero.hip-hop is also considered communist but Bill’s views on gun ownership, aids , cia drug smuggling and early opinions on ufos make his book a must read in the hip-hop world.I am not sure if you know this but there are lots of songs about bill that arent racist like the nas song.Heres a list of artists and quotes. ILL BILL(artist)hour of reprisal(album) society is brainwashed(song title) …the infamous william cooper was murdered,the author of behold a pale horse,he paid the cost.I’m not sayin i agree with everything he wrote i just admire him for speakin his mind yo.(song lyric) MF DOOM (artist) born like this(album) ballskin(song title)…Some say it was the guy in the glasses who came to save the people with their minds in their asses.(song lyric) Supreme council(artist)black pope mix tape(album)society is sick(song title)..i read behold a pale horse and my life changed..(song lyric).theres lots more songs with bill out there and like it or not the prince hall mason and noi controlled rap world loves Bill. i.t.
please remove my posts.mainsource1 pretty much covered what i was trying to say yesterday,i just didnt see that post until today(not tryin to bite).thanks
Thanks i.t.,mainsource,D,
I had no idea. I really loved Cell Therapy by Goodie Mob (that was way back in 95?). Tried saving it with RealPlayer but it wouldn’t copy. If you know of a higher quality version (in flv) that will, would you post a link. Good to hear from you guys, I’ve been educated. It’s encouraging.
John
http://www.myspace.com/supremecouncilmusic is the link to the supreme council song “society is sick” and http://www.myspace.com/mfdoom is the link to the mf doom song “ballskin”. i hope this will help fans of the genre. i.t.
Lot of good comments here. Check out some more Cooper-influenced tracks and continue the discussion at http://vincitomniaveritas.proboards.com in the General area.
I certainly can’t say anything good about Nas. It appears to me that he is in fact a collectivist through and through — though he likely doesn’t even know it himself. People like Nas want to keep all their profits and do as they please — AND they want their collectivist form of government at the same time. What they haven’t figured out yet is that it simply cannot be done. One or the other has got to go, eventually.
You’re free or you’re a slave. You love Freedom or you love collectivism. There is no middle road.
Nas is an idiot.
But thanks, Nas, for giving us Cooper a little play on your record. It will surely lead at least some of your fans away from you and toward us.
I am not a fan of hip-hop/rap/or whatever it is called these days; nonetheless, I think it is great to see that many in the underground have heard of Cooper and his message. In addition, spreading or at least giving hints of Cooper’s message so individuals will be intrigued to research on his/her own. This is a good start if we want to restore our constitutional Republic.
Well said, Ted.
I’d be curious to know just how many hip hop fans have really followed through and become real people after being exposed to Bill and his material through this type of music.
Oh, and 14 comments has to be a record. Leave it to pop culture to stir up the crowd.
I am a Hip Hop fan & also a fan of the truth.With some people you can instantly & instinctively know their full of b.s. , & others with a little research the same can be said. Before you sing the praises of NAS do the research like most “artists” they live and speak that double talk, on one level he says that B.C. is brave for speaking the truth maybe because hes a Mason. Quote ” click still movin like free masons so if i wanna flow from the law there lodges all across the nation Nas is bred for the plan to hold the grand dragons head in my hand.” There is the real Nas. The song “Ima nigger.” All music & Hip Hop been infiltrated Wake up Rule #1 & 2 DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU CANT RESEARCH BEST ADVICE I EVER GOT THX B.C.
Oliver thx for the insight I truly looked that fact over, & i will look into this. But to say that Nas is poorly educated I think is truly wrong this man knows exactly what he is saying, do some research on Nas shit just listen to his lyrics hes a walking advertisement for mystery babylon and prince hall masonsry. I believe he knows exactly what his role is in the manipulation of the masses dont believe me people go find it urself
Just for the record Nas is always covered in tons of mystery babylon symbolism and things illuminati related that Bill has always warned about looking out for.He has been a pharoe,crucified and many other characters in his videos that have an esoteric meaning to them.Dont get me wrong Nas is an underground legend but he has crossed over into mainstream success and with that crossover came some sort of indoctrination into the mystery schools.But Bill is still an inspiration to the men and women who listen to underground hiphop .Why?Because he got killed for what he said.At the end of the day Jordan Maxwell,Ike,Jim Marrs,Alex Jones,Art Bell or Peter Joseph are all alive and there for” in on it”.Thats why we respect Bills work so much because he “keeps it real”.That may sound corny but you have a huge resource thats untapped and in these times we need all the help we can get. i.t.
Ted,
I don’t really understand your point. Maybe I’m an idiot too. Does one have to be a complete individual to be a lover of freedom? Maybe you can expound on the meaning of collectivism and how it applies to Nas. Without organization you have nothing. Isn’t HOTT a collective effort? Sorry but I just don’t get what you’re saying. In my view, freedom IS the middle of the road.
United we stand…
John
Whether or not you like the music, at least this has a positive message:
“I’m American”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD-t6tcBji4
alv, I said Nas is probably “poorly educated when it comes to the united States’ government and the American ideal.” What I mean is that he has probably never studied the true history and philosophy of this nation in depth or on an objective level. He seems to mean well, and if he actually knew the truth he probably wouldn’t spout the communist revolutionary garbage that he does. Odds are he’s just like the rest of these lazy sheople who don’t care about the truth. They just look for things that fit their preconceived ideas and biases.
As for Nas being a Freemason or in on some diabolical plot, forget it. The dude’s just another socialist. A lot of these rappers are into a bunch of mystical crap. It just means they’re ignorant. Like the Blue Lodge types. I’m sure the adepts laugh their asses off at it, though.
John,
Fer Pete’s sake, man. Do a little research. I’ll help you out:
“Collectivism holds that, in human affairs, the collective—society, the community, the nation, the proletariat, the race, etc.—is the unit of reality and the standard of value. On this view, the individual has reality only as part of the group, and value only insofar as he serves it.” —Leonard Peikoff, The Ominous Parallels
That’s worlds apart from “organization” and “collective effort.” Collectivism is the philosophy behind communism.
As for how this relates to Nas, you figure it out. Here’s a clue: read the information I posted about the Jackson brothers.
I did a song in the year 2000 based on this material. It was also called ‘Pale Horse’. I don’t spread info through music alone. Check out my blogs and video presentations.
i remember a few other references to Bill in hip hop. Murs gave a shot out to his book in 1997 on the F’real album. i had heard of the book before but i got my own copy after I heard that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A29Z7jQ2b6M
also in 2000 Raaka Iriscience from Dilated Peoples said he was “introduced” to Bill on the Platform LP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkTZD3LwbJc
more recently, LoDeck used some parodied version of the cover. not sure what he was tryin to say there, if anything.
http://cdbaby.com/cd/lodeck
if i can remember the others in time, ill post them. speaking of Nas, i got a kick out of this video: Occult Secrets of Jay Z, Kanye & Nas……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-xVN0xERk
Oliver,
I won’t pretend to have everyone figured out, but I googled Leonard Peikoff and I’ve found out that he’s a communist. Just kidding. I enjoyed the song, thanks. I interpreted Nas’ song dedication to those guys (the black commies) as bringing B.C.’s message to their attention and saying “this is where I am”. I don’t know very much about the artist but my interest in him and his position is growing. From what research I’ve done today, he doesn’t sound like a collectivist to me, not in any extreme sense. Contrary, he seems very much like an individual and (not unlike myself) I think he has a clear stance of criticism for blind followers. I think it would be most interesting to hear him interviewed by HOTT.
“A working class hero is something to be” – John Lennon (MY hero)
Best Wishes,
John
[wikipedia:]
Peikoff received his Ph.D. in Philosophy from NYU in 1964;[1] his adviser was American Marxist and pragmatist philosopher Sidney Hook and his dissertation dealt with the metaphysical status of the law of non-contradiction in classical philosophy.
[and…]
Peikoff endorsed John Kerry (while nevertheless thinking of Kerry as a “disgustingly bad” candidate) against George W. Bush (whom he called “apocalyptically bad”), on the basis of Bush’s religiosity and his refusal to crush Islamic regimes, especially Iran, along with his “doomed” economic policies. In advance of the 2006 elections, Peikoff recommended voting only for Democrats, to forestall what he sees is a rise in influence of the religious right.
[ http://www.lifewhile.com/music/16964843/detail.html#- ]
“A new day is rising,” Nas says, in his anti-establishment speech that serves as a coda for the billowy, neo-soul vibe of “We’re Not Alone.” It’s a surprisingly direct statement against “elites” whose tone and style one could label as a class warfare ambush. “So I’m deadly now/Because of one reason/They’re listening,” he warns in the record’s title track. That day is one in which Nas strives not just to fill dance floors but voting booths.
[…]
And although Obama will certainly benefit if Nas’ vocal endorsement marshals more hip-hop fans to vote in November, the rapper isn’t the kind of celeb who would seem a safe bet for the inaugural ball. Provocative and always a loose canon, Nas remains a grassroots activist at heart. While many politicos cluck about what Obama’s candidacy means and whether it signals American society’s transition to a “post-racial” paradigm, this is an idea that Nas would likely ardently oppose. He, like many of today’s rappers, are children of the Reagan era, and the scars of the past run deep. Although his lyrical pen is now more oriented toward the goal of electing a black man to the nation’s highest office, he would recoil from the concept that Obama’s election brings a conclusion to the fight against racism and injustice.
Barack Obama is a communist and Nasir Jones is a fellow traveler. Period.
Anybody who wants to discuss similar topics with rational and informed individuals in a more convenient format go check out http://vincitomniaveritas.proboards.com
Oli, I have been a fan of Nas since the days of mag. tapes. With that said, we as a whole nation have to be careful of who we support especially when it comes to music. Music has always been a great way to disseminate propaganda, the media & music has been infiltrated some purposely and some well out of shear brainwashing and stupidity. Nas, Jay-z(J-hova) lol, as well as Kanye all have the means to get the N.W.O. msg out & are!, and make it seem like a great thing, on one level having a global goverment to prevent starvation and war sounds great but w\o giving up our sovereignty or Constitutional rights. Unfortunatley this is not what they have in mind, (my opinion). Just you tube Jay-z\nwo or Hip Hop\masons, he got a song basically saying hes gonna walk us thru the nwo. I thought some of these Ctheorists where nuts, & I still do mainly cus of Alex Jones-Jordan Maxwell & so on. A.J. speaks the truth but mixes it with his ranting and his disingenuous acting . Question does anyone believe this guy really is angry or just playing a role? I’ll hit you up on the msg board peace
We have to remember that the agenda is everywhere, especially in hip hop. Nas is a Freemason. I found a photo of him receiving the E.A handshake given by Jaz Z. I have read somewhere that nas father was a freemason(speculation) but that said just check out his lyrics and his album covers. He is dress in Egyptian Attire on one album. One album shows him dresses as Nostradamus. He has a album cover were he is holding a single dead read rose. Finally he has a album titled”i am”. I don’t believe these are coincidences. If you listen to the song”Be a Ni**ER too” he says”Click still moving like Freemasons, so if I’m on the flow from the law there’s lodges all across the nation, nas is bred for the Plan to hold the grand dragons head in my hand”. I don’t know why he brought up Bill’s name other than to mock us and degrade non-sheeple. Anyways like bill always said”Don’t believe anyone until you can prove it yourself”. Thank you HOTT for all you do.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.theboombox.com/media/2008/05/nas-jay-z-200-051908.jpg
Alv said, “Music has always been a great way to disseminate propaganda, the media & music has been infiltrated some purposely and some well out of shear brainwashing and stupidity.”
Man, you have no idea how right on you are in your statement. The three volumes of John Daniel’s “Scarlet and the Beast” covers your topic like no one I have ever read before. If you haven’t read these books yet, you are in for a real treat. Absolutely amazing and eye opening.
You guys need to stop being so hard on people. I personally despise socialism and believe the way of governing explained in the US Constitution is the greatest one ever devised by man. BUT that doesn’t mean i think everyone who’s not 100% in line with my views is a commie. Most of the people in my family have socialist views even though they don’t consider themselves socialist. They don’t know what the “great work” is even though they are unwillingly helping bring it about. But that doesn’t mean that they’re secretly Freemasons or that they’re getting checks from the Rockefeller foundation, it just means that they’re misinformed. They are great people who are motivated by beliefs in freedom and equality, they just haven’t discovered yet that socialism is a scam (im working on exposing that to them).
I think that Nas falls into that same category. A freedom loving truth seeking person who has been misled to support certain agendas that are not in his better interest. Socialists use a lot of “power to the people” type rhetoric that can be pretty convincing until you start to analyze what it really is. Some people fall for it, that doesn’t mean they’re bad people, it just means they’re like 99.9% of the humans in this country, MISLED.
Nas is not our enemy, he just doesn’t know everything we do. Maybe if he did he’d be right here with us. But its also important to remember that you don’t know everything he does either and we’ve all had different experiences that lead us to our truths.
Just found another interesting symbol. Look at the picture HOTT posted regarding nas. Look at the S in NAS and see the light on top of the S. Just something interesting.
Mainsource, James,
I agree with your comments, thanks. I’m obviously one of the lesser informed on this subject and learning a lot here. I never liked rap, but over the years I’ve grown to appreciate the change in content and conscience that I’ve seen on the surface and in musical style. My favorite music for the most part is from the 50’s, 60’s and 80’s. We didn’t know then what we know now. If John Lennon had known about this stuff, I’m sure he would have been on it.
At the end of Testify when Nas says “WOW…WOW…”, it’s an indication to me that he’s blown away by his (possibly new) awareness of B.C.’s work. I won’t read into it any further but I will listen more closely. I think James is correct about Nas getting the word out to his listeners. The Beatles literally changed the world and world consciousness (for the better I think) with the power of Pop. Maybe in some way Nas and others like him will choose to do the same.
I tend to step back and look at the bigger picture, rather than doing a microscopic analysis of certain individuals. I think the trends of public awareness and popular opinion are more important than what one person knows or commits their self to. As great and awesome as B.C. was, he wasn’t the only one working at it. By the grace of God he was the messenger.
Mainsource, I’m in the same situation as you when it comes to friends and family. I gave out a bunch of copies of Zeitgeist because I thought it was the most convincing and digestible package of what’s going on right now. I went to the premiere of Addendum and Peter Joseph was there for Q&A with the Venus Project people. The inconsistency and contradiction became horribly evident. I still recommend those movies for the truth that is illustrated, adding that these people are agents from the other side, and I explain how and why. The Kieth Thompson movie was great and I share that with them too, but we all have to start somewhere.
Scottfree, thanks for the links. Very interesting. The last one, Occult Secrets of Jay Z, Kanye & Nas was a real “eye” opener.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-xVN0xERk
I saw B.C. speak in my community in 91 very shortly after the release of his book, so I’ve known about him for many years. I’ve found it astounding to see just how few people in the media have been willing to say his name in all that time. This news about Nas and the whole hip hop community is really impressive to me.
Thanks everyone, much appreciated.
John
I am curious why there is so much in-depth discussion on a rap artist but hardly any commentary on issues concerning personal liberties?
Reminds me of a saying,
“We have met the enemy and it is us”
Thanks Walt and Pogo.
I hear you, Doyel.
Leave it to pop culture to stir up the “masses.”
I’ll take a swing. Our society, and particularly the youth population, is so heavily influenced and their ideas so extensively shaped by celebrities — especially musicians — that this field has become a decisive element in the information war. Pop culture also cuts across otherwise deep divides and reaches an extremely broad cross-section of the American public. Therefore, anytime an influential celebrity, particularly a rap artist whose audience is predisposed to rebellion, talks or raps or sings about things that are usually only discussed amongst groups like HOTT listeners — especially if they specifically mention William Cooper — it is something of a coup and has the potential to influence a great many people.
Personally, I was wondering about just who is in the HOTT audience because very few ever leave comments here and all the discussion this post generated has been enlightening to a certain degree.
I would not be surprised if there were more hip-hoppers who are down with HOTT than non-hip-hoppers.But regardless of the music we listen to its the info we stayed for.I don’t know why you would think that because you listen to underground hip-hop that somehow means that you are not informed.Our that that makes you somewhat less intelligent.If attitudes like this could be put aside you would realize that our forces are greater than you could know.The response to this post is proof of that. I.T.
I.T., what are you talking about?
“We have met the enemy and it is us”,Leave it to pop culture to stir up the “masses.”,Nas is probably “poorly educated when it comes to the united States’ government and the American ideal.” I’d be curious to know just how many hip hop fans have really followed through and become real people after being exposed to Bill and his material through this type of music. William Cooper has to be one of the most misunderstood men of our time. It’s obvious that a lot of folks like Nas are unaware of what he stood for and what his message was. i only hope the people who listen to his music will research who bill cooper is & get behold a pale horse those comments are what i was talking about. I.T.
I think you have entirely misinterpreted all of those remarks.
I heard that too i.t.,
Doyel you’re right, but a lot of good information has been shared in this thread too. I’ve learned so much from you and I’m eternally grateful to you, Rob and everyone at HOTT. You’re the only source of info I really trust on the whole planet. We (I include myself now) are reaching a lot of people and things are changing for the better. We all have to do this in our own ways.
I’m in Los Angeles and would like to find out more about Richard Fine and what I can do to help. Is there a website or something? If there is a rally I would like to know about it. I will try to be there. Thank you for being there and doing what you do. I’m always listening, reading and learning from you.
John
I have to agree with intangibleteknishun. He makes a good point saying that being a “hip-hopper” does not mean you are any less intelligent. Knowledge of what’s really going on, and who knows what, can only be measured on a case by case basis. Also, Nas HAS been laying this kind of stuff in his music for years. As far as how well informed he is, that is not any of our call to make unless we asked him personally. I have been researching (to a degree) many different ideas and theories that have been presented to me by numerous people of various backgrounds and educational levels. The one thing that remains constant in all of it is that if you ask questions, you’re becoming aware and that’s what this is all about right? Awareness leads to action by the righteous. I commend Nas for putting out controversial music during dangerous times and look forward to reading what some of you “non hip-hoppers” think about his lyrics after you do your research on him. BTW, I am hip-hop, all day, everyday. I like to believe I am highly intelligent and fairly well informed. Maybe I’m wrong. But none of you know me or Nas, so like another “hip-hopper”, ILL BILL, said, “ASK QUESTIONS AMATEURS!!!”–Red October/Supreme Council
No one here is judging anyone based on the type of music they listen to.
That is utter nonsense.
To make that suggestion is just as insulting to the people who have commented here as it would be to those who had been so judged.
Get your facts straight before you take umbrage at imagined offenses.
If you want to contribute to a productive discussion, keep it relevant to the topic at hand — this particular Nas song. This is not a “hip-hopper” vs “non-hip-hopper” debating club. Attaching labels like that to yourself or others is a bad idea in general.
We need to get Pale Horse done on audio. Spread it like wild fire. Everything is MP3 these days. Get it out on ITunes. Get the younger people more aware of their future. Or lack there of. People seem to read less and less and listen more and more. Take me for example. I do not have time to read like I would like to, but I can listen to my MP3 player all day at work (lucky – I know), so I have a huge bank of audio books and spend my days learning as I work. Now, if Pale Horse is on audio, I have not been able to find it. Just my thoughts. I volunteer to do it. Actually I have a friend that has a better speaking voice than I do. We’ll do it for the cause!
OK, that was WAY off topic and I apologize. Please don’t attack me. It’s just been weighing heavily on me. Bill’s books need to be on audio. All of them. Fast! Again, I apologize for being off topic and for the spam.
i think we can move on from this subject and get re-focused to what is important now, this interesting find tells us we are not alone and this is a fact. from the ghettos to the mansions shining on top of hills im certain we will be victorious when the time comes. this NAS guy should not be our concern.
“This Nas guy” and other rappers and celebrities hold tremendous sway among young people. That’s a demographic with tremendous importance to the struggle in which we find ourselves engaged.
I think it’s hilarious that after all the stuff that HOTT has posted in the past it is this which has stirred up conversation like never before. But at least it did.
If you would like to “move on from this subject and get re-focused to what is important now” please feel free to make comments and start a discussion on other post topics. Very few ever do. Better yet go check out http://vincitomniaveritas.proboards.com and participate a little.
lol are you making sure you get the last word in, oliver?
I got the scarlett and the beast books today.There are alot so which one pertains to the music industry?i was going to start with that one.thanks I.T.
Yes.
Oliver said:
“Alot of these rappers are into a bunch of mystical crap. It just means they’re ignorant.”
followed by
“Get your facts straight before you take umbrage at imagined offenses.”
This “imagined offense” seems pretty clear in the first quote. I guess my facts are straightened, huh Oliver? You know, you have some good info for some people, but letting this get your panties in a bunch isn’t good for your blood pressure. Breathe easy. Nas is a hip-hopper, you are not. That’s a fact for sure.
just read scarlett and the beast 6 music and revolution.interesting stuff and totally on topic.thanks for the suggestion Ted i.t.
What exactly is offensive about that? It happens to be true.
You’re damn right I have some good information. You should pay attention.
Do you have any idea what your nifty little moniker represents? The term Red October refers to the Bolshevik Revolution, also known as the October Revolution. It was the second part of the Russian Revolution of 1917 which led to the creation of the Soviet Union and eventually to the death and enslavement of hundreds of millions of human beings under Communism. In the Soviet Union, the official name for this uprising is “the Great October Socialist Revolution.” Incidentally, Freemasons were instrumental in fomenting this insurrection.
Tell me something, why the hell would you name yourself after something like that?
I’ll breathe easy when we take our country back, friend.
Why do you always think people don”t know what things mean Oliver?Are you not aware to hip-hops deep revolutionary ties?Of course he knows what his name means but can you say that you really know what it means?That just makes my point about judging people based on music taste.Have you ever even studied hiphop Oliver?Do you know anything about the most popular form of music that took over influencing the youth where rock and roll left off?Are you aware of the thuggee and their worship of kali and how this is still happening today?How about the Akai drum machine,Roger Linn and his ties to Osirus?We all have the interwebs Oliver and it aint no thing to google red october and think you know why someone did something but the fact is you probably dont. I.T.
Look, buddy. That’s why I asked WHY. I can tell you guys are young. You might be surprised how much I know about “the most popular form of music that took over influencing the youth.” That’s part of the reason I’ve taken the time to trade comments on here. I was hoping it wouldn’t turn out to be a waste of time, but it’s starting to look that way.
I agree with oliver on the confederacy thing. I always thought they were for less big government and more states rights. Individualized. Does anyone know what Cooper thought about the confederacy, because i had heard him say it was bigotry? Was he for it or against it? Just wondering. I dont like NAS though. I dont like his message in the song (its ass backwards as oliver said) and i dont like the reference of the “Racist white confederates”. Thats how I took it at least. I dont understand the exceeding push of violence and revolution though. Its not very healthy for the youth. They are too misinformed from everything to understand anything complex and make assumptions of whether its is false or not. Easily led.
Hey, Joe. Yeah, you’re on it.
As for the Civil War, it’s a complex issue to say the least. Here’s a link to the HOTT transcripts of the ADL series which contain a wealth of relevant information:
http://web.archive.org/web/20001007180329/williamcooper.com/adltruth.htm
I have to say…I used to be a big Nas fan. I still think he’s one of the best hip-hop artists of our time however he like many are not immune to being misinformed and/or misled.
For the record, most urban youth (especially here on the East Coast/NYC area) do not know the significance of the Confederate flag, they are taught or it is assumed that its significance is attributed to Racists and Pro-slavery rednecks.
Its never defined as a flag that represents States rights or independence from the Federal Government, which Im sure most here dont find surprising.
I have heard many mixed signals coming from many artists, including Nas, but this issue is very minimal compared to everything else going on in this country right now. Nas is the least of our worries.
As far as Rap goes…I cant listen to the radio anymore. Its all garbage on the radio. The undergound scene is still alive, but just barely.
If you guys want to really understand what the Civil War was really all about, you need to read John Daniel’s “Scarlet and the Beast”.
The Masons were nearly destroyed after the William Morgan Affair. They were nearly wiped off the face of the United States of America. The Civil War was created in order to re-establish Masonic membership in America. During times of war and trouble, the men join Masonry as a means of survival. The war was successful. More Masons were in the U.S. as a result of the Civil War than there were before the Civil War.
Lincoln had no aversion to slavery whatsoever. The only reason he freed the slaves of the south was to destroy the economy of the south (which was slavery) so that the southerners would be easier to fight. There is a lot more to the story than I can possibly convey here. Get “Scarlet and the Beast” and read up. http://www.scarletandthebeast.com
You are correct, Nas has no idea what he is talking about and is misinformed, and therefore he is misinforming his audience.
Someone please reach Nas and get him on the show so that his proper education can begin. Let’s turn the boy around and get him working on our side. He’ll end up broke, like the rest of us, because what we do sure don’t pay much, if it pays anything at all, but Nas would be much better off for it. And, quite frankly, so would we.
There were many factors at play in the Civil War. That’s for sure. And like most other things in the history of this country the Brotherhood was neck deep in it.
I respectfully disagree that Nas doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He used to just be a skilled MC, now he’s crossed over to the realm of politics and has become a quasi-revolutionary, pushing a lot of militant socialist BS. Just listen to this song. He’s pretty blatant about it. “Wow,” indeed.
Yeah. Just another way to fuel the fire I guess.
But he doesnt push a lot of militant socialist BS. Reactionary maybe, quasi-revolutionary more likely, but not militant. He makes music. And his albums are not even remotely promoted as much as many of the other garbage MCs in the industry. Its not like he’s out there organizing any group or factions either.
If you think this is militant, you should listen to Immortal Technique. If you were describing him, Id have to agree with you wholeheartedly.
I dont agree with a lot that Nas says in his music, but I dont see how or why he’d be promoting Bill Cooper if he was a true socialist.
Where are you from Oliver? You dont have to tell me, I was just wondering if you live near a big city like NYC, as I do. Our perspectives may be very different based on where we grew up.
Ive seen plenty of smart revoltionary types that are more misguided and misinformed than they would ever know. From my experience with urban youth and their idols like Nas, he fits that description perfectly.
He could know more than he lets on but then again, Id still find it odd that he promotes Cooper if he was consciously helping TPTB.
Silva said, “I dont see how or why he’d be promoting Bill Cooper if he was a true socialist.” Let’s be clear here. I don’t see that Nas was promoting Cooper at all in his lyric. It was more like he was just using Cooper’s name as an example of someone who’s “‘exposin’ shit”. It didn’t sound like a promo to me at all, except maybe Nas using Cooper’s name to promo Nas. Nas has attached himself to Cooper for his own selfish purposes.
Nas can’t talk. Nas can’t write. Nas has done no research — and he sure as hell isn’t a William Cooper, or even anything close to it.
We are supposed to take seriously someone, like Nas, who goes around calling himself and his friends, “Niggas.” Not to mention the fact that he writes it all down and records it into a recorder and proudly passes it around — and makes a fortune doing it.
Like Rob said, we don’t endorse his message, nor do we condemn it. This is a free country (well, that’s the idea anyway), and you can do what you want and you can say what you want, true enough; but when I am walking up the street and see a group of guys wearing their pants hanging half off their ass, their hats on sideways and backwards, and calling each other a bunch of niggers — I, personally, take the scene as a sure sign that a bunch of idiots are approaching and I do everything in my power to steer clear of them.
Ted ” but when I am walking up the street and see a group of guys wearing their pants hanging half off their ass, their hats on sideways and backwards, and calling each other a bunch of niggers — I, personally, take the scene as a sure sign that a bunch of idiots are approaching and I do everything in my power to steer clear of them.” the next time you see that you should give them a copy of behold a pale horse or any good dvds.also tell them everything you know relative to the conspiracy of things.You would probably get a hood pass and have a growing group of educated youth thanking you for your wisdom.this can also be said if you walk up on a group of skateboarders,or punk rockers or chess club students etc.peoples ears are dying to hear this kinda truth info so dont count the youth out yet. i.t.
Intangible, you do have a very valid point there.
This is getting old, but I’m still in the game.
Ted is absolutely right in regards to Nas’ namedropping Bill Cooper. He’s twisting the message to suit his own agenda.
I.T. is right to an extent. But sure as hell not to a great extent. Yeah, some youngsters are interested, but the elements that fit your description around this way wouldn’t give a flying #@$%. Get a “hood pass?” I don’t know what hood you’re from but it ain’t around here.
Silva, I think it’s hilarious you want to know where I’m from. I get you and I’ll just say you might be surprised.
As far as the socialist BS goes, you’re wrong. It is absolutely militant. Are you kidding?
“But would you ride with me?
You understand my struggle
That’s what you claim, right?
Well get your aim right…”
“I think you scared (hehe)
I don’t think you prepared
Yeah…
You know what I’m asking you?
Do you know what I’m asking you? Hahaha
Wow…
Wow…”
THIS IS IN A SONG DEDICATED TO TWO “MARTYRED” MILITANT COMMUNIST REVOLUTIONARIES. And listen to the rest of the lyrics. I don’t give a $*** how misinformed the guy is. He’s a subversive and he’s infecting a lot of young people with his poison. Period.
Ted said, “It was more like he was just using Cooper’s name as an example of someone who’s “‘exposin’ shit”. It didn’t sound like a promo to me at all, except maybe Nas using Cooper’s name to promo Nas. Nas has attached himself to Cooper for his own selfish purposes. ”
Very fair point, and not that far-fetched either.
“Nas can’t talk. Nas can’t write. Nas has done no research — and he sure as hell isn’t a William Cooper, or even anything close to it.”
I can agree with the last two… ’nuff said. He is nowhere near Cooper.
Im not really here to defend Nas anyway guys. Just giving the guy the benefit of the doubt being that his music has been more uplifting to the youth than I can say for other artists. As well as critical of government and the establishment in general.
I realize that he is wrong on many things, as I said, he USED to be one of my faves, but not anymore.
Oliver said, “Silva, I think it’s hilarious you want to know where I’m from. I get you and I’ll just say you might be surprised.
As far as the socialist BS goes, you’re wrong. It is absolutely militant. Are you kidding?”
No, Im not kidding. What he said in the lyrics you posted is not militant in my opinion. Its musical expression protected by the 1st Amendment.
Militant means 1 : engaged in warfare or combat : fighting
2 : aggressively active (as in a cause)
As far as that definition goes, I’d consider myself more militant than Nas.
Where you’re from really doesnt interest me, I was just wondering if you grew up near a city where people that feel, and justifiably so, that the government is the enemy and that may say things in ignorance due to the societal upbringing and conditioning that they went through. It may give you more perspective if you had. Im from NJ. So many towns/hoods in NJ and NYC have been my stomping grounds for the past almost 15 years. I feel like I can relate to what he is saying is all. Its not like I said he is right.
Im not.
Why are some of you taking this so personally?
Let’s not miss the point. Nas mentioned William Cooper and so people will want to know who he’s talking about and look it up. Nas doesn’t have to have to be able to quote Pale Horse from memory or have heard every episode of Mystery Babylon. Not everyone gets deep like that. It’s a lot of studying and buying all these books is expensive. Even Bill himself didn’t complete his studies. He was still growing in knowledge like everyone else.
Para…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBSTHy1bA88
paradox ,if you cant afford these books please let me know.i have an extensive pdf library of alot of the research material.(thats how i found and read scarlett and the beast so fast.)that goes for anyone else who wants this kind of material too.just google my name and send me a message on my myspace.i will try to fill as many requests as possible.anything to get people to turn off their tvs and stop talking about pigs flying. i.t.
Good grief. Sayonara.
Intangible, you have a copy of “Scarlet and the Beast” in digital format? I didn’t know there was such a thing. Where did you get it?
in may vast travels across teh interwebs i found it in my folder on freemasonry.which i think that i came across on a sight called h33t in the ebooks section.i also go to the recommended reading section of http://www.zulunation.com/ and write down book titles and then search for those books at h33t,mininova etc. and have built up an extensive archive.i find that most books mentioned or quoted in this field are in my files and would be more than happy to share these with anyone interested.myspace.com/intangibleteknishun.i hope this helps ted. i.t.
I got the impression that Nas was implying to his fans that Cooper dwarfed anything he had to say about exposin shit. In essence, he was telling his sheeple followers to wake up to Cooper and to dedicate theirselves to his cause. That seemed obvious to me, that Nas is actually saying that he’s nothing close to a William Cooper, and that he was daring his fans to take Cooper seriously, and to prepare for the worst instead of running around like a bunch of mindless idiots.
His last sentence was “Do WE know what I’m asking you?” That suggested to me that he was opening a whole new can of worms himself, something he considers to be profound realness, though it’s something new and unfamiliar to him. I think the whole song was leading his fans to the name of William Cooper.
That was my first interpretation and it still is. One of the greater aspects of song, poetry and art in general is that these works are meant to be interpreted by the individual, so I don’t really feel qualified to say with certainty what Nas was saying and if he had ulterior motives when he released this song. It didn’t sound that way to me.
Paradox, I enjoyed your video. Nice presentation, I’m looking forward to part 2.
John
Listen to Nas’ song “Sly Fox” if you wanna hear more from the man. Definitely a very diverse artist with interesting views. I’m not trying to promote Nas, but I think most of you haven’t listened to his catalog of music extensively enough to fully understand his messages and standpoints on certain issues.
Oliver, my friend, i hope you have learned to breathe easier and to not get so worked up. Your cocky way of replying to certain topics doesn’t make any of us stand in awe of your unlimited bravado. Intangible Teknishun is a smart person and YOU’D be surprised how many saggy-pants wearing, hat to the side, YOUNGSTERS he’s informed that are now informing others seeking the truth. Bottom line is, nobody here has all the answers, so let’s not act like it, ok? Now, can somebody get Oliver a pillow and blanket and a warm bottle of milk? He’s had a rough day trying to play God! LOL
PS-I know what my “nifty little moniker” stands for in history, but in my personal life, there’s a deeper meaning to it that you could never understand. Drink an Ensure and shut-up old man.
Well folks, we have opinionated, speculated, argued, fought, and even gone completely off topic here in the Nas discussion. We have heard from everyone but Nas. It’s Nas’s turn. We need to ask him what he meant by what he said, by borrowing Cooper’s good name and putting it in his lyric. That is the only real way to get answers and clarify. Any further discussion here, to my mind, is a waste of time. We will never get to the bottom of this by carrying on the way we have.
It is time to try and contact Nas himself and try to get him on the show. He took the name of Cooper for his own purposes — the least he could do is come on the show and answer a few simple questions.
Just for starters, here are a couple of pieces of contact information for Nas that we can use to try and contact him and ask him to come on the show and have a talk. Please, everyone who has posted in this discussion, break out your keyboards and your post cards and write Nas a letter and ask him to come on the Hour of the Time and have a chat with some fans and some curious observers. Contact your friends and ask all of them to write on our behalf as well. Be sure to include Hour of the Time contact info in your letters, and hopefully we can get a response from the Nas Crew and get the ball rolling. I, for one, would love to hear from Nas himself on what he meant by what he said, and who Nas really is and where he officially stands in this fight. Is Nas with us or against us? Is Nas a Freedom loving/fighting Patriot — or a rabid communist and braak ‘bama supporter? Let’s put our money where our mouths are and start writing where it counts.
I propose that anyone has posted on this thread post no more on this thread until he has put his money where his mouth is and has tried to contact Nas and help us get him on the show.
Here’s some contact info — now is the time to put up or shut up:
http://www.defjam.com/site/contact.php
Def Jam Recordings
825 Eighth Avenue
New York, NY 10019
“Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do.”
Bruce Lee
27 November 1940 — 20 July 1973
Well gentlemen, let me say that I am pleased beyond expression to have read the spirited exchange that Nas has generated. I have been researching the Plan since 2001, when a friend gave me a book entitled “Secret Societies and Their Power in the Twentieth Century”. The book is filled with some good information, and unfortunately a lot of mis- and disinformation, so don’t worry about this book unless you have a good handle on the Plan, because it will lead the less informed astray.
To continue, the same friend later gave me “Pale Horse” on three cassettes narrated by Bill Himself, so to answer your question “awakenedbybill”, an audio version of “Pale Horse” does exist because I have a copy of it. It is really great because it is narrated by Bill in his inimitable style with his reknown way of putting the emphasis on just the right points for maximum effect. The best part of the audio is that it has an interview at the end of about five minutes that is so cool. Bill is my hero, next to Christ. I mean that.
I continue. Intrigued by this material, I searched diligently for more Bill audio and came across the “Mystery Babylon” series and, after more than a year downloading on a dial-up connection I had the complete series. Now, I cannot say enough about this series. If you really want to know what is going on Get It. Listen to it again, and again, and again. Keep researching and referring back to the M.B. series. You will soon realize that what you didn’t understand, you now understand, and what you thought you understood you understand better. Keep in mind episode #5 “NWO and Freemasonry” Bill starts off this episode by saying “Well folks, it’s all about Religion…” When I first listened to this, I immediately stopped at the point I was in my research and started again from the standpoint of religion. And the pieces fell neatly into place. It IS all about religion. As a matter of fact, it wasn’t long after this that i accepted Christ as my Savior.
As you listen to the MB series episodes, you will notice some very interesting things. First, you will see Bill Cooper’s transformation from a “Christian” who just thought that Jesus uttered the most profound words ever uttered (I’m paraphrasing) and tried to live his life by his teachings, to someone who actually had come to accept Jesus as his Savior and Lord (listen to From Christianity to Babylon MB episode #35).
For the person who wanted to know what Bill thought about the Confederacy, listen to MB episode #27 “In the Coils of the Coming Conflict” which is actually the title of a a book. In the book, Confederate General Albert Christopher Pike, at one time the most powerful Mason on the planet and who wrote the book “Morals and Dogma”, is referred to as a “rebel” who led a group of Indians against Union soldiers. The book said the indians under Pike butchered and scalped the “boys in blue” (quote from the book). The book goes on to say that the only reason Pike was not tried and hanged for treason and for this heinous act against his own countrymen was because President Andrew Johnson (who succeded Pres. Abraham Lincoln after his assassination) pardoned him. Why? Because according to the book, they were both ROYAL ARCH MASONS.
For any of you who are of the mind that the Confederacy was just loyal, patriotic citizens fighting government tyranny, you may find it interesting to note that this same Gen. Albert C. Pike was also the founder of the Klu Klux Klan! I have found this out through my own research, but if you don’t believe me, believe Bill. Listen to HOTT broadcast “The Ugly Truth About the ADL” where Bill documents this fact. You will be ANGRY.
Now going back to NAS. The occult overtones of today’s hip-hop can not be overstated. Again, IT’S ALL ABOUT RELIGION!!! Jay-Z calls himself J-HOVA (Jehovah), in effect saying he is God. This is nothing new. Many, if not most of today’s prominent artists believe this. Look at Will.i.am Get the I AM in his name? I AM is the name of God (see Exodus 3:14) Jesus calls himself the Great I AM in John 8:51-57. I could give more examples and I may later. The point is this: if you don’t know your Bible, you are not going to be able to pick up the venom these celebrities direct towards Jesus and the homage they pay to Lucifer/Satan. Most of these artists are Luciferian, meaning they worship Lucifer as God, and do not accept the title of Satan that God has bestowed on him as a result of his rebellion.
DO NOT BE FOOLED. NAS knows exactly what he’s doing. He is VERY educated in the SACRED, and the PROFANE. He is not some unwitting dupe who is just in it for the money. As for his ties to Freemasonry, they are undeniable. And for all you Prince Hall Masons you should check out the “William Morgan Interviews” (MB episodes 20-22) where this white 32nd degree Mason explains the racist character of Freemasonry and what the white masons really think about the black masons. To give you a hint, Morgan says that the Prince Hall Lodges are known as the “clandestine” lodges. Now, when we hear that word, we normally think of secret or hidden, right? So, one day I go to the library and get a Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary circa 1882. I find the word clandestine and follow all of the definitions none of which fit, until I get to the last definition. Want to know what it was? FRAUDULENT. As Bill used to say, “I could go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, but I think you get the point.”
Gentlemen, all of this exchange has been healthy. It has gotten heated, but you guys managed to keep it clean. THIS IS TO YOUR CREDIT. We can agree to disagree on some aspects, while being unified on the core ideas. When someone pops up on this site with some negative, divisive input, MARK THAT PERSON AND LEAVE HIM ALONE.
And please, PLEASE, don’t overlook the religious aspect. I could give you so many examples it would blow your mind. And remember one thing: ALL INFORMATION LEAKS ARE INTENTIONAL. The conspirators are outting themselves. In the aforementioned episode “NWO and Freemasonry”, Bill Cooper quotes the book “The Externalization of the Heirarchy” as saying that they plan on making the conspiracy known through three channels: 1) The Church, 2) The Education System, and 3) The Masonic Fraternity. If you think for a minute, you can see that this is happening right now. Remember, “IT’S ALL ABOUT RELIGION.”
Hey there Jaques.
I was the one who asked about Bill and the the confederacy. I thank you for your reply. I am also trying to read “Scarlet and the Beast” but haven’t got nearly enough time to read everything. I had always thought that the church the state and the mob were the 3 things that the “ORDER” want to take over or consume to outsource their ideas. The church (all one religion), The state (private property), and the freedom of the mob (Us being enslavemed). I had never known the Masonic Fraternity to be one of the things to be taken over. I had always thought THEY were already doing it. I’m also in the middle of the MB Series. Its is such a brilliant series isn’t it? I am making a film soon and think the people at HOTT might get a kick out of it when it is done. Thank you Jaques for all your info and sources and I hope to talk to you and everyone else soon about all this. Just trying to make sense of this. BUT….as Bill said..”ITS ALL ABOUT RELIGION.” The quicker people realize that, the easier things will come out in the open.
Just e-mailed the folks at Def Jam. Hopefully they reply with a positive response.
Hey Desperado. I think you may have misunderstood me. You are correct in saying that part of the Plan is the destruction of the Christian Church (and all Christians) and the creation of a One World Religion, the elimination of the State (Constitution and Bill of Rights) and thereby U.S. sovereignty, and the enslavement of the Mob (us). What I meant was that the conspirators planned to go public with this information using people like Jordan Maxwell (who if you listen to him, never says anything that hasn’t already been said), Alex Jones (fearmonger and re-direction artist) and others who through their “research” tell us all about the Plan for the NWO. They want us to know about it because, for one, they want us to think that it is for our benefit. That is why they call it a “benevolent dictatorship”. Talk about an oxymoron! They don’t tell us about its socialist/communist/racist/luciferian, anti-christ nature. As far as the Masonic fraternity is concerned, it is my belief that the conspirators plan on destroying overt Freemasonry after it has served its purpose. You have to understand that Freemasonry is just a tool of Mystery Babylon. It is much larger than Freemasonry. All of these organizations are tied together at the top by a religious heirarchy, and they all serve certain purposes and thus can be sacrificed at the drop of a hat if need be. Thanks for your response, and the Lord bless you.
HOTT Broadcast
I was listening to one of the Bill broadcasts where he’s taking calls on the topic of UFOs. He mentioned that Orson Welles was related to H.G. Wells. I searched google to find information to support this claim but I couldn’t find anything. Does anyone have any evidence or document to support this? Wikipedia did say that Orson Welles, born in Wisconsin is from English ancestry. That’s as close as I got.
I did find an old radio recording where Welles supposedly meets Wells for the first time ever.
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/401028.mp3
If you go to this site, notice the picture of Welles and behind him a poster of an eye and the letter “i” resembling an obelisk with the sun just above it.
War Of the Worlds 1938 Broadcast:
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/381030.mp3
The New World Order by H.G. Wells pdf, published 1940:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/newworldorder_wells.pdf
awakenedbybill, there is an abridged version of Pale Horse, as JaquesDeNoir mentioned. I downloaded it from Amazon, it’s about 3 and a half hours long. I use this text reading software a lot:
http://www.sphenet.com/TTSReader/index.htm
It will even rip the audiotext to MP3. The speech is robotic but I still think it’s pretty cool and I burn whole ebooks to one mp3 CD.
It would be nice if we could post a new subject to this forum but if not, I imagine you guys at HOTT have your reasons. I chose this thread because it’s the most active. I haven’t emailed Def Jam but I’m pretty sure Nas knows we’ve been talking about him.
John
HOTT Broadcast
I was listening to one of the Bill broadcasts where he’s taking calls on the topic of UFOs. He mentioned that Orson Welles was related to H.G. Wells. I searched google to find information to support this claim but I couldn’t find anything. Does anyone have any evidence or document to support this? Wikipedia did say that Orson Welles, born in Wisconsin is from English ancestry. That’s as close as I got.
I did find an old radio recording where Welles supposedly meets Wells for the first time ever.
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/401028.mp3
If you go to this site, notice the picture of Welles and behind him a poster of an eye and the letter “i” resembling an obelisk with the sun just above it.
War Of the Worlds 1938 Broadcast:
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/381030.mp3
The New World Order by H.G. Wells pdf, published 1940:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/newworldorder_wells.pdf
awakenedbybill, there is an abridged version of Pale Horse, as JaquesDeNoir mentioned. I downloaded it from Amazon, it’s about 3 and a half hours long. I use this text reading software a lot:
http://www.sphenet.com/TTSReader/index.htm
It will even rip the audiotext to MP3. The speech is robotic but I still think it’s pretty cool and I burn whole ebooks to one mp3 CD.
JaquesDeNoir, next time you want to download something you might consider going to an internet cafe or a library and doing it there.
It would be nice if we could post a new subject to this forum but if not, I imagine you guys at HOTT have your reasons. I chose this thread because it’s the most active. I haven’t emailed Def Jam but I’m pretty sure Nas knows we’ve been talking about him.
John
HOTT Broadcast
I was listening to one of the Bill broadcasts where he’s taking calls on the topic of UFOs. He mentioned that Orson Welles was related to H.G. Wells. I searched google to find information to support this claim but I couldn’t find anything. Does anyone have any evidence or document to support this? Wikipedia did say that Orson Welles, born in Wisconsin is from English ancestry. That’s as close as I got.
I did find an old radio recording where Welles supposedly meets Wells for the first time ever.
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/401028.mp3
If you go to this site, notice the picture of Welles and behind him a poster of an eye and the letter “i” resembling an obelisk with the sun just above it.
War Of the Worlds 1938 Broadcast:
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/381030.mp3
The New World Order by H.G. Wells pdf, published 1940:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/newworldorder_wells.pdf
awakenedbybill, there is an abridged version of Pale Horse, as JaquesDeNoir mentioned. I downloaded it from Amazon, it’s about 3 and a half hours long. I use this text reading software a lot:
http://www.sphenet.com/TTSReader/index.htm
It will even rip the audiotext to MP3. The speech is robotic but I still think it’s pretty cool and I burn whole ebooks to one mp3 CD.
JaquesDeNoir, next time you want to download something you might consider going to an internet cafe or a library and doing it there.
It would be nice if we could post a new subject to this forum. I chose this thread because it’s the most active. I haven’t emailed Def Jam but I’m pretty sure Nas knows we’ve been talking about him.
John
JaquesDeNoir , I have a couple of questions.Can you explain how all my research points to the head of all religions to be controlled by luciferean,nwo,masons,illuminaughty etc.? When i listened to MB the message that i got out of it was that Religion was made up by the first secret society as a means to control people.If this is the case how is Jesus any different from Mythra?How about biblical stories that are just retellings of older stories(gigamesh,noah).I know most christian holidays are templets of ancient pagan ones and constantine changed the sabbath to sunday so i guess my question is How do you tell the difference between solar worship,saturn worship and christianity if they are all the same thing?Last question is about the saturn hexagon and its meaning.heres a link to said hexagonhttp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0704/hexagon_cassini.jpg&imgrefurl=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070403.html&usg=__u4FCMxRIR2gSoMkarPe1jy7IibM=&h=600&w=800&sz=75&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=_nJBUXU3jYJGlM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaturn%2Bhexagon%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG.thanks and sorry for being totally off topic on this one guys I.T.
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look, chances are that he got the notion of William Cooper and Behold a Pale Horse off of Arron McGruder, the fellow who penned the Comic Strip Boondocks.
Aaron McGruder’s character “Huey”, was very much interested in “conspiracy theories” and such. One of the gag’s that McGruder used was when Huey was getting ready for the first day of School, one of the books that he had in his backpack was “Behold a Pale Horse”.
I seriously doubt that Nas’ education goes much beyond that. As far as his religious overtones, almost all rappers have some sort of Messiah Complex. DMX – Blood of my Blood. Tu-Pac – Makaveli, and those are just the well known ones.
Just because some rapper is spouting off words does not mean that he knows the implications or understands them.
Also, Huey Freeman in the Comic Strip was named after Huey Newton one of the Founders of the Black Panthers. Huey’s character was an interesting mixture of black power/pride, conspiracy theory, and other elements. Basically taking what Bill said, and using that as a rally cry for black nationalism, yet at the same time, criticizing blacks for glorifying the exact same things that they were guilty of; being gangsta, booty shakin’, BET, keepin it real, kwanzaa etc.
It’s actually a very funny comic strip, and it’s a shame he stopped doing it.
Quentin, in boondocks huey represents the mindstate of most of the under-ground hiphop(hence his copy of behold a pale horse).He is not some fluke mixture that character is a sterotype typical underground hiphop guy.his brother riley is the mainstream sheeple mindstate obsessed with bet etc..nas did not find out about bill cooper via boondocks.boondocks is a spoof on a number of stereotypes.So why is behold a pale horse considered part of the character huey is because there are alot of hiphoppers that read bills work. that huey stereotype was patterned after that. i.t.
Those are very difficult questions to answer in a forum such as this I.T. It took me years to come to the conclusions that I’ve come to, and that after much research, reflection, and personal experience. Your statement that what you got out of the M.B series was only that religion was made up by the first secret society as a means to control people is very telling. That’s why I suggested that you get the MB series and listen to them again and again. Bill said on many, many occassions that all the secret societies are one in the same “they are all the same, and all working towards the same ultimate goal: a New World Order” (Behold A Pale Horse audio tape).
Religion was not created by the first secret society, but the opposite. The first secret society was created out of necessity as it was very dangerous for the practicioners of the “mystery religion” to do so out in the open. So they took their religion underground. For more on this you MUST get the book “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop. Here is what Bill had to say about it, “I suggest STRONGLY that you make ever attempt to get that book and read it” (MB episode “From Christianity to Babylon”). It will give you the background you need into the orgins and the dogma of the Mystery Schools and the orgins of Mithra, Zoroaster, and many others. You will be amazed. But, you must first get an understanding of the symbology of the esoteric relgion of Mystery Babylon that Bill reveals in the MB series, or you will be somewhat at a disadvantage.
As for the difference between the pagan religions and Christianity, the latter is based solely on the Bible. In the Bible, you can read of many occassions where the mystery religions were being practiced before and after Christ. As I said, this would be a very lengthy discussion to bring you up to speed on this subject, and I could not do it even in several postings. God will direct those who truly want to know the truth. You have but to ask Him. Even if you are not a Christian, if you sincerely ask the God of creation to show you the truth, He will, because he knows that the Truth will lead you inevitably to Him. I can tell you this because it happened to me. This would be very difficult to do, of course, if you don’t believe there is a God. If you want to know the truth, however, just ask “If there is a God, please let Him reveal Himself to me through my research into this subject.”
If you are sincere, He will do it.
As for the gentleman who doubts Nas’ knowledge of things esoteric, he would be amazed to know what goes on in the music world, and the world of entertainment in general. While there may be a few “perpitrators” out there just trying to sound like they know, when you get to Nas’ level in the Business, they are not going to tolerate a “dabbler”. They will make you an offer that you can’t refuse. You are either in all the way, or out all the way. My knowlege in these areas far exceeds that of the average Joe, and while that certainly does not qualify me as an expert, I have seen and heard enough to be totally convinced. Of course, for anyone with the “don’t bother me with the facts, I’ve already made up my mind” attitude, there’s nothing you can do to dissuade them, and so trying is useless. For those who want to know, seek and you will find.
Jaques, Thanks for the answers. Does anyone know anything about the saturn hexagon? as far as emailing def jam goes good luck with that.def jam is run by russell simmons who is an admitted worshipper of kali(see mtv cribs and look at russels favorite room in the house,a tempel to kali.)kali was a black death goddess worshipped by the thuggee.Nas always has a mouth full of jewels and has often called himself a thug.The thugee or thugs are still worshipping kali today.also ask yourself why there is a statue of kali above the super colider. i.t.
That’s very interesting about the statue of Kali above the super colider. Which super colider? You know, I have not researched this yet, but a friend of mine in the entertainment business once told me that on a visit to Los Angeles (we were living in Germany at the time) he came upon an old state flag and there was a picture of a black goddess on it. This is not surprising when you think of it: Cali- (Kali) fornia. As for the hexagon on saturn, I wouldn’t get wound around the axle on that one. The misinformationists are constantly throwing out rabbit holes for people to run down. Very interesting about Simmons.
HOTT Broadcast
I was listening to one of the Bill broadcasts where he’s taking
calls on the topic of UFOs. He mentioned that Orson Welles was related
to H.G. Wells. I searched google to find information to support this
claim but I couldn’t find anything. Does anyone have any evidence or
document to support this? Wikipedia did say that Orson Welles, born in
Wisconsin is from English ancestry. That’s as close as I got.
I did find an old radio recording where Welles supposedly meets
Wells for the first time ever.
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/401028.mp3
If you go to this site, notice the picture of Welles and behind him a
poster of an eye and the letter “i” resembling an obelisk with the sun
just above it.
War Of the Worlds 1938 Broadcast:
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/381030.mp3
The New World Order by H.G. Wells pdf, published 1940:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/newworldorder_wells.pdf
awakenedbybill, there is an abridged version of Pale Horse, as
JaquesDeNoir mentioned. I downloaded it from Amazon, it’s about 3 and
a half hours long. I use this text reading software a lot:
http://www.sphenet.com/TTSReader/index.htm
It will even rip the audiotext to MP3. The speech is robotic but I
still think it’s pretty cool and I burn whole ebooks to one mp3 CD.
JaquesDeNoir, next time you want to download something you might
consider going to an internet cafe or a library and doing it there.
It would be nice if we could post a new subject to this forum but
if not, I imagine you guys at HOTT have your reasons. I chose this
thread because it’s the most active. I haven’t emailed Def Jam but I’m
pretty sure Nas knows we’ve been talking about him.
John
Jaques, russel was also married to kamora lee or “kali” and def jam released the famous ll cool jay song “going back to cali”also the whole “thug” style of music is from Cali.(westside) as far as the saturn hexagon goes my theory is that the masons at nasa just pretend that there is a hexagon on saturn(hexagon is the center of the star of david as above so below symbol also known as a hex)similar to the masonic ceremonies carried out on the fake moonlanding.i just wanted to hear some others thoughts on the subject.Your rabbit hole reference reminded me that in russles temple room he has a framed picture of glinda the good witch from the wizard of oz.both oz and wonderland refrences are used in mk ultra programming.also the super collider is called the Large Hadron Collider.at least i mentioned def jam this time. i.t.
Amazing.
About the moon landing, i.t. I don’t think it was faked at all. I’ve seen two movies which supported this allegation, one of which had Henry Kissinger and many other Washington heavy-hitters on it. That made me really skeptical. Why would Kissinger of all people admit to something like that? It was not until I saw the Creation Science Seminars of Dr. Kent Hovind that I realized why they are insisting that the moon launch was faked.
On the Age of the Earth seminar Dr. Hovind explains that millions of tons of space dust lands on the earth each year (as measured by scientists) and that because of the close proximity of the earth, the same amount should land on the moon. If the earth and moon are millions of years old as evolutionists argue, and because the moon has no atmosphere and no wind, the space dust should be extremely deep. But as seen in the famous photograph of Neal Armstrong’s footprint on the lunar surface, the dust was only about a half inch deep. This is as persuasive an argument for a young earth as any out there and NASA knows it. When I heard that, I was convinced that the moon hoax theories orginated from the evolutionist camp.
“For the WRATH OF GOD is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men WHO HOLD (from you and me) THE TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. Because that which may be known of God is manifest IN THEM (scientists) for God has shown it unto them. For the invisible things (DNA, cells, and other things, which are far too complex to be random chance happenings) of Him (God) from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (electron microscope, computers) even His (God’s) eternal Power and Godhead SO THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE.” On Judgement Day, I would not want to be an evolutionist scientist for all the tea in China.
Jaques, so the moon landing was real,thus making the ceremonies having really taken place on the moon(flag of the 33rd,eagle has landed lunar blue lodge stuff)also real.Then why would nasa telling us about a hexagon on saturn be any more of a lie? as far as evolutionists go yeah they have been scooting up the armbones for years to make old monkey bones look more manlike and less like knuckle draggers.you have to understand both sides lie,lie,lie,lie and lie some more.scientists and priests both lie as much as politicians.The emperor is the clone army and the droid army.i also just realized this ,to place my comment i have to click on the “submit”icon,so thats it for me . i.t.
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HOTT Broadcast
I was listening to one of the Bill broadcasts where he’s taking
calls on the topic of UFOs. He mentioned that Orson Welles was related
to H.G. Wells. I searched google to find information to support this
claim but I couldn’t find anything. Does anyone have any evidence or
document to support this? Wikipedia did say that Orson Welles, born in
Wisconsin is from English ancestry. That’s as close as I got.
I did find an old radio recording where Welles supposedly meets
Wells for the first time ever.
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/401028.mp3
If you go to this site, notice the picture of Welles and behind him a
poster of an eye and the letter “i” resembling an obelisk with the sun
just above it.
War Of the Worlds 1938 Broadcast:
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/381030.mp3
The New World Order by H.G. Wells pdf, published 1940:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/newworldorder_wells.pdf
awakenedbybill, there is an abridged version of Pale Horse, as
JaquesDeNoir mentioned. I downloaded it from Amazon, it’s about 3 and
a half hours long. I use this text reading software a lot:
http://www.sphenet.com/TTSReader/index.htm
It will even rip the audiotext to MP3. The speech is robotic but I
still think it’s pretty cool and I burn whole ebooks to one mp3 CD to hear
them when I’m in the garage.
JaquesDeNoir, next time you want to download something you might
consider going to an internet cafe or a library and doing it there.
John
weird, one of my posts won’t post.
If you watch the movie, from earth to the moon, you can see the flag flapping in the wind, on the surface of the moon! somethings fishy there.
John
JaquesDeNoir, next time you want to download something you might consider going to an internet cafe or a library and doing it there.
John
I was listening to one of the Bill broadcasts where he’s taking calls on the topic of UFOs. He mentioned that Orson Welles was related to H.G. Wells. I searched google to find information to support this claim but I couldn’t find anything. Does anyone have any evidence or document to support this? Wikipedia did say that Orson Welles, born in Wisconsin is from English ancestry. That’s as close as I got.
John
I did find an old radio recording where Welles supposedly meets Wells for the first time ever.
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/401028.mp3
If you go to this site, notice the picture of Welles and behind him a poster of an eye and the letter “i” resembling an obelisk with the sun just above it.
War Of the Worlds 1938 Broadcast:
http://sounds.mercurytheatre.info/mercury/381030.mp3
The New World Order by H.G. Wells pdf, published 1940:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/newworldorder_wells.pdf
awakenedbybill, there is an abridged version of Pale Horse, as JaquesDeNoir mentioned. I downloaded it from Amazon, it’s about 3 and a half hours long. I use this text reading software a lot:
http://www.sphenet.com/TTSReader/index.htm
It will even rip the audiotext to MP3. The speech is robotic but I still think it’s pretty cool and I burn whole ebooks to one mp3 CD.
John